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Date Posted: 3/9/2010 9:47:07 am EST
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Scientists Misread Data On Global Warming Controversy

Author: Dan Vergano Source: USA TODAY

Title: SCIENTISTS MISREAD DATA ON GLOBAL WARMING CONTROVERSY
"If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs and blaming it on you," then, with apologies to Kipling, you might not be a climate scientist.
Well-publicized troubles have mounted for those forecasting global warming. First, there was last year's release of hacked e-mails from the United Kingdom's University of East Anglia, showing some climate scientists really dislike their critics (investigations are still ongoing).
Then there was the recent discovery of a botched prediction that all Himalayan glaciers would disappear by 2035 in one of the Nobel-Prize-winning 2007 Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) reports. Instead, the glaciers are only shrinking about as much as glaciers everywhere, twice as fast as they did 40 years ago, suggest results from NASA's GRACE gravity-measuring orbiter.
The recent controversies "have really shaken the confidence of the public in the conduct of science," according to atmospheric scientist Ralph Cicerone, head of the U.S. National Academy of Sciences.
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| What About The Real Issue | Mar 10th. at 6:56:02 am EST
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Earth -N- Trees (Conowingo, Maryland) - Email Me - Web

Forget the hype about climate change, what about the smog in the air every summer that makes it hard for even your pets to be outside? What about the pollution in our bay that is killing off the oysters and crabs? What about the pollution seeping into our ground water from our gas stations and city dumps? What about the fly ash from our coal power plants or the un-recycled nuclear waste? These are real and get little attention, because we are too busy blinding the public with a "sports play" about global warming.
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| Big Deal, Who Cares, LaLaLaLaLa.... | Mar 9th. at 11:23:14 pm EST
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nasionnaich (Stanchfield, Minnesota) - Email Me

Climate change: We all agree that it has happened before and will happen again, and that the current change in the Earth's climate is not 100% caused by Human activity -- but..... Here is what ALL of the folks who DENY Global Warming ignore:
HUMANS have the means to AT LEAST slow down the current change in the GLOBAL climate. We KNOW that if nothing is done, HUMANITY will be extinct this time around, no matter how adaptable humans may be, or how much technology Humanity may have. Why do the nay-sayers continue to deny that GLOBAL climate change is real, and is a BAD THING for all of Humanity? Because they are afraid that they won't be able to pad their bank accounts.
After all, if nobody is using OIL and COAL, the Fossil Fuel Cartels will simply go broke. But hey, we all know that the Almighty Dollar is far more important than the planet WE ALL call "home".
And who the hell cares if our great-grand-children have the opportunity to live in the same world we have been blessed with? Just stick your fingers in your ears, chant "lalalalalalala" to yourself, and pretend it ain't happening -- 'cause we all know that none of it can be real if even one smidgen of the data was fudged.
--nasionnaich
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| Commentary | Mar 9th. at 9:39:32 pm EST
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NOVA (New Brunswick, New Jersey) - Email Me

Well, one needs to digest and temper all the data with their own knowledge, observations and common sense. I believe global warming is ocurring, and other issues, as is evidenced by many factors that should be obvious to most. To the naysayers, I would say, that if the scientific data can be misread, so can yours. These issues are best addressed by working together not all on one end of the spectrum or the other. While everyone makes mistakes, certainly most scientists are trying their best to collect objective information and help the world. Those who love to poke holes at them and call everything a hoax are only trying to help themselves.
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| Global | Mar 9th. at 7:51:53 pm EST
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Rainy (Noblesville, Ohio) - Email Me

I agree that there is some question to the amount of pertinent information that comes, but I believe personally in my humble opinion the reason its low on the meter of human consciousness is simply the here and now.
Economically many people are hurting, so their first and primary physical concern is going to be employment. I myself am back hunting for a way to survive when I had a job that -used- to be secure. It changes and you cannot always expect to have that job anymore. Downsizing and company closures are now the norm in many places.
And while there are many ways to help - go green- etc to sum them all up, alot of these energy efficient and alternative methods may be well beyond the average person who just got pink slipped.
So while I understand it may be a concern if indeed it is one at all- my mind is still not made up due to lack information that is not bordering on heresay or rumor of the political kind, I would say the first thought I have is- employment. Because without it...you end up doing without.
So while we should care more for our enviroment, most of us are trying to pay the mortgage or rent on that enviroment to consider the possibility of its loss right now.
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| It's Not About The Climate | Mar 9th. at 3:57:36 pm EST
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Ahr-Ohn (Bridgeport, Connecticut) - Email Me

"One example came Thursday, when Sen. Jay Rockefeller, D.- W. Va., rolled out legislation to bar the Environmental Protection Agency from regulating greenhouse gas emissions from power plants burning West Virginia's coal."
I don't think it's concistant with The Constitution, something about favoring the ports of one state over those of another. Do we need an amendment to include Airports and Railroad Stations?
What this story is about, is the end of the Hype, and many Climatologists will be out of work, failing to get Tenure, due to a lack of funding that was using their works for some other purpose. Either the Hide-Behind-The-Climate Fund got what it wanted, or gave up, and these cattle are being sent to the Butcher.
Follow the Money.
Arawn Graalrd
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| Global Cycle Vs. Man Made Trend... | Mar 9th. at 1:47:23 pm EST
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Serendipity (Bonita Springs, Florida) - Email Me

Part of the reason for all the confusion is that this is an incredibly complex issue and we just don’t KNOW everything we need to know to give definitive answers to some of the tough questions. Sure we know some things and can make pretty good guesses at others, but that isn’t the same thing.
People need to accept that sometimes we’re not going to have all the answers to every question they want answered, but that doesn’t mean that concerns should be dismissed.
For whatever reason it is happening, global warming is real. Perhaps some articles have, either accidently or on purpose, exaggerated some of the numbers but that doesn’t change the other numbers that say it is very real.
If global warming is in fact the result of human interaction with the environment then that is really good news because we can choose to change. If it is the result of a natural cycle then we’re just making it worse with our current actions and we need to change our current ways of living so as not to exacerbate the situation.
People on both sides of the issue need to quit treating it as a political issue and to start to treat it, and think of it, as a matter of science. Scientists need to get serious about doing good science and everybody involved needs to check their egos at the door and put the focus on what this reality means to all the life on earth.
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| Misread? | Mar 9th. at 11:51:37 am EST
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Zodiac (Waverly, Nebraska) - Email Me

A good portion of the "data" was just plain made up - meaning it wasa a LIE.
A lie set up to defraud the world at large of billions of dollars. A lie set up to put themselves in charge of the rest of us.
In a sane world, THESE PEOPLE WOULD BE LED OUT IN HANDCUFFS.
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| Overlooked Facts | Mar 9th. at 10:28:05 am EST
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Lorca (Longview, Washington) - Email Me

Climate change _is_ cyclical, but as near as the best minds in the field can tell, the earth has never seen a rise in atmospheric CO2 with as steep a slope as this one. By far. Critics and deniers have (all too predictably) no response to this inconvenient reality. As for those critics, sorry, but a large proportion of these so-called experts do indeed have at least tacit ties to the fortunes of the fossil fuel industries. I laugh every time some tool cites a source like "The Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change", which is nothing more than a couple of geologists (as opposed to real experts in the field of climate change) who make their living off of, you guessed it, the petroleum industry. I don't wish to even suggest that dissent does not have it's place in the scientific community. Indeed, the questioning of this or that assumption is fundamental to all good science. But in order to be credible, the dissent must come from quarters at least as learned in the field as those whose work is being called into question. If it is not, it is deserving of all the derision that can be heaped upon it for the self-serving nonsense that it all to often is.
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| The Problem Is. . . | Mar 9th. at 9:56:42 am EST
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Dynnys Derwydd (Lubbock, Texas) - Email Me

. . .the simple fact that "global warming" and "climate change" became more of a political ideology instead of a science. When detractors raised their voices those who believe in man-made global warming didn't refute the facts, instead they launched personal attacks, doing their best to vilify the naysayers making statements like, "Oh, he (or she) works for Big Oil" when the individual never has.
Don't get me wrong. I'm all for green living, but such a lifestyle should be brought to bear through education not governmental harassment, i.e. unfunded mandates.
BTW, climate is cyclical, always changing. A couple billion years ago the planet was one huge snowball. . .and sometimes after that the entire world was one huge swamp. Oh, and I'm old enough to remember the 1970s when we were all told that a new Ice Age is coming.
Gnothi Seauton
honi soit qui mal y pense, Dynnys Derwydd
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